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Produced By Aaron Ferguson

Nov 19, 2019

In this 5-minute clip, Zach gives a "Steelman" interpretation of the disease model of addiction and explains why he disagrees with the model. 

This is an excerpt from an interview in which  Dr. Rick Barnett interviewed Zach about his book with Stanton Peele, Outgrowing Addiction: With Common Sense Instead of "Disease" Therapy.  

Watch the full interview here: 


Dr. Barnett is the founder of the non-profit, CARTER Vermont, which offers help to folks with a range of addiction-related problems. (Visit CARTER here: